Friday, June 22, 2012

Homer's ODYSSEY; Or, You Can't Go Home Again Except For You Totally Can, So That's Bullshit.

We already know this since I said it in my last post, but it bears repeating: I FINISHED THE ODYSSEY, I FINISHED I FINISHED I FINISHED!

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I wanted to have it done before I started Ulysses, and I have to say- I think having read the Homer is frackin' ESSENTIAL to having any clue about what Joyce is trying to do in Ulysses. So, people who are all "you don't have to read the Odyssey to understand Ulysses" are about as wrong as people who are all "Ulysses was written for the masses!" Which is to say, the wrongest that could possibly be wrong. MOVING ON.

Odyssey picks up several years (don't remember how many exactly, sue me, but I think it's about ten) after the end of Iliad. So, Troy she has a-fallen (see horse: wooden) and the triumphant Greeks are scattered about the various and sundry Greek areas trying to get home, succeeding at getting home, getting murdered while arriving at home, and having adventures along the way. The main person we're following is Odysseus, who is full of bad-assitude and cunning. And also lies. It's a nice mix. 

Anywoot, Odysseus is trying to get home to his wife Penelope and now-full-grown son who have been patiently waiting for twenty years (I'm sorry what?). During that time, a bunch of guys who want to marry Penelope eat all her stuff and refuse to leave and generally act like douche frat guys. Odysseus' journey home involves mucho meddling from the gods, a lot of death, mystical creatures extraordinaire, and the Sirens (my favorite).


The Sirens from O Brother, Where Art Thou. I love them. I want them on keychains. I SEEN EM FIRST.


THOUGHTS, ETC (Spoilers).
I for shizzle enjoyed this reading experience more than the Iliad. Where the Iliad is all WAR and OLD TESTAMENT LISTING OF THINGS and MEN BEING MANLY and NO LADIES (mostly), Odyssey is more WOMEN DOING THINGS THAT MOVE THE PLOT LOTS OF TIMES and NIFTY ADVENTURES and IN DEPTH CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT and MONSTERS AND MAYHEM. (This is not to say that the poetry in the Iliad isn't beautiful and that there aren't heart breaking moments because it is and there are, so don't hurt me.)

Odyssey is a foundational piece of literature, and for good reason (that's right, boys, no need to change hundreds of years of literary theory- I am in agreement with you). It considers all the things: fate, free will, family, love (of various types), war, loss, revenge, redemption, religion, gender, justice. And also wine and oil. It also has an unreliable narrator of sorts- Odysseus is the hero, but he's also full of patoohey in ways that you can't always pinpoint. His story changes, he makes up things, he's an awful leader (or is he?), he's a victim, he's the mover of all the events. The development of his character is really sophisticated, which, snobby modern me, I wasn't really expecting that (especially since I didn't find Achilles all that well-rounded. He's mostly ME KILL THINGS. ME LIKE MY FRIEND. ME CRY, GET DRUNK, MORE KILL THINGS).

I was most fascinated by the end, when Odysseus finally returns home and then takes what feels like several hundred pages to finally reveal himself. Once he does, he goes on a murderous rampage, killing all the suitors in the house AND hanging all the female servants who slept with them (it's never specified if those situations were consensual, either). The wholesale, indiscriminate slaughter reminded me of stories from the Old Testament where God commanded the Israelites to destroy entire races of people without excepting a single person. Did ancient cultures all have this viciously black and white view of justice? 

The poetry is also beautiful, though I get the feeling that I read a somewhat simplified translation (I was reading the Allen Mandelbaum). If I read it again, I'll go for something a bit more flowery. I'm thinking it was a sort of Message Bible, and if I do round two, I'll want the KJV. Pickin' up what I'm puttin' down? 

Here's my favorite bit (and something that I think sums up the whole poem quite nicely):
"Men are so quick to blame the gods. But they
themselves- in their depravity- design
grief greater than the griefs that fate assigns."

Five stars out of your mom.





29 comments:

  1. Congrats, my dear! I remember more of the story from the Duck Tales version than when I read it in college. Go fig. And props on using the Death Becomes Her clip. That's one of my favorite movies.

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    1. DUCK TALES (woo-oo). And now the song is stuck in my head forever.

      Also, I love Death Becomes Her. It's so ODD.

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  2. It's become clear to me that I need to read Ulysses, and hence I shall probably have to read this too (I own it, so I probably should, I guess?) And I will! Just maybe in, like a few years/some time before I die... So yeah, at least this sounds fully awesome so I don't DREAD it!

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    1. Yeah, no dread! It's not as hard as it seems. The form takes a bit of getting used to (prose poetry, not my bag), but reading it with a group is helpful.

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  3. I read this one with a group about a year and a half ago and I really enjoyed it. I came away with the same thoughts on Odysseus. I regarded him as an unreliable narrator. I felt like he might have been exaggerating a tad or maybe editing the story to make himself look a little better. Just my opinion.

    I tried the Iliad about a year ago after reading The Odyssey and just couldn't get into it. I only made it to about book 2. I'm sure I'll eventually pick it back up, but I'm not quite in the mood yet.

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    1. "I felt like he might have been exaggerating a tad or maybe editing the story to make himself look a little better."

      Absolutely. He sometimes leaves out details that are...unflattering?

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  4. "(see horse: wooden)"

    I like you.

    Also: OMG THE ODYSSEY FLAIL FLAIL FLAIL. The scene where Penelope recognizes Odysseus for the first time makes me the girliest girl possible. Because OMG. I love them. Which is a big reason I can't stand The Penelopiad, because she tries to take them away from me, and NO, ATWOOD, BAD.

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    1. Wait, what? Atwood does what? This scares me. I love Penelope! She's so SANE and LACKING IN HYSTERICS.

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    2. She just makes it less about Penelope loving Odysseus crazy-amounts and more about her being a wily woman and them understanding each other. WHICH I TAKE ISSUE WITH. Because she IS a wily woman, but she also loves him crazy-amounts. *shakes fist*

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  5. Yes, Iliad = The 3000; Odyssey = Goonies (i.e., best adventure story ever). I know that's an odd pairing, but whatever. I love epic adventuresomeness. And honestly, I totally see it as the basis for any good adventure flick ever because obstacles? It's got 'em. You've actually really made me want to dust this off from the bookshelf and re-read. So thanks!

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    1. So true! I just finished the Iliad and went to hubby -- "You know how we thought 300 was totally over the top and way too much and all that? Yeah, somebody just got stabbed in the elbow and bowels are falling out all over the place. Modern filmmakers don't have nothing on this guy."

      I did love the Iliad though a lot for all the slaughter right next to the really deep, beautiful metaphors. Looks like the Odyssey is up next! Congrats too Amanda on getting through it!

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  6. And whoops, I obviously don't know battle movies because I think it's 300? Who knows?

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  7. I've read parts of it at school and I just love it. I've never really had a complete-complete read, though, and I think I migh just want to do it after this post of yours - I just love the ironic, light and enthusiast way you talk about classics :)

    That makes you awesome, by the way. I know you probably know it, but I thought it would have been nice to say it to you anyway.

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  8. I enjoyed this one SO much more than The Iliad. It was all adventures and such and less pontificating.

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  9. Yay congrats and go you :)
    Yeah, Bronze and Iron age cultures were big on the black & white justice, no fifty shades of greysseus for them.

    I'm torn between this and the Iliad - the Odyssey is more accessible - something I first read in graphic novel form and the bit with Odysseus and his dog recognising him on his return got to me especially - It's for the most part all go and adventurey - probably relating to its later composition.

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  10. Odyssey is a great book and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I think I read it for the first time as a high school freshman (in the age of dinosaurs), but have re-read it several times since. My then 10 year old son loved the kids' version especially Odysseus tricking the Cyclops. I'm probably never going to read Ulysses, but I do have The Aeneid high on my TBR list because it is the Iliad and Odyssey combined told from the Trojan view.

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  11. Thank you SO MUCH for helping me to discover the Allen Mandelbaum translation. I've tried to read the Fitzgerald and it's dreadful. Mandelbaum looks much more accessible. (Did you know there's a whole website dedicated to samples of the various translations? http://records.viu.ca/~johnstoi/homer/homertranslations.htm)

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  12. This post makes me jump and down for obvious reasons. :) I am SO GLAD you enjoyed this! I love it so much!

    I really love Telemachus' story-the whole coming of age with the help of Athena. And Penelope? She's awesome. OH, and where they attack the Cyclops? Awesome. OH, and where he travels to the underworld to talk to Agamemnon....I could go on and on.

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  13. Loved your review, made me want to pick it up again. I can recommend the Fagles translation of both the Illiad and the Odyssey, but I read Mandelbaum's translation of the Aenid. All were very accessible.

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  14. I actually really *love* the Mandelbaum translation and think it's the best in terms of really conveying the language. (Says the reader with no Greek at all).

    Totes love Ulysses Everett McGill and that whole eminently quotable movie.


    But oh, please: you must read Song of Achilles. Because it is good and it won the Orange Prize and it has a very pretty cover.

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    1. Umm yes Song of Achilles. No other book would make me read the Iliad. I loved it so much and talked to too many people about it.

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  15. I want to read these desperately now. I will have to carve out a decent amount of time from the sound of it, which I will plan to do near the end of summer. Fantastic post.

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  16. Sometimes I wish they would do a faithful movie adaptation of The Odyssey, including the ending. Odysseus hangs around for way too long, Telemachus sneezes, and then Odysseus FUCKIN KILLS EVERYBODY.

    It also would have made the ending to O Brother a LOT different. Gopher, Everett?

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  17. I just discovered your blog through your review of Don Quixote (which I am currently reading). This blog looks awesome!

    Anyway, I was interested in your Odyssey/Ulysses experience. Because I have an annotated copy of each. I had heard that Ulysses follows the same structure as The Odyssey so my plan was to read the chapter in The Odyssey with its annotations, then read the corresponding chapter in Ulysses. Rather than reading the whole of The Odyssey before the whole of Ulysses.

    Having read both, do you think that's a good way to go?

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    1. The chapters in Ulysses don't correspond to the chapters in the Odyssey. Some episodes of Ulysses only reference characters or even just passages from the Odyssey. So that wouldn't really work.

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    2. Damn. Good thing I asked. Thanks for the reply.

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